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Wing glitch

Discussion in 'Bugs and Suggestions' started by Cole, Jun 24, 2019.

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Should this become a glitch abuse

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  1. Cole

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    Some of you know while winging if u fly straight up and someone shoots a net at you 99% of the time u will not get netted. I believe this should be a glitch abuse. 1 the staff cannot fix this issue or if they could would require a lot of work. Its like someone stun gun abusing staff cannot fix it people will just spam space bar to avoid falling to there death. People who take off there Armour to remove the bad meth effects staff cannot stop it. This is why they became glitch abuses because staff cannot stop it. So this wing glitch staff cant stop it so shouldn't that be a glitch abuse?
     
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    No, this happens so often in wing pvp it's just part of the game. And as for the other things you mentioned, that's not glitch abusing, it's being smart. Glitch abusing is duping, godmode(back in the day), glitching into houses, using hydra to stun people...
     
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    Ummm the things i listed above are glitch abuses staff could not stop so they made them glitch abuses this wing bug falls right under that category
     
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    It's not glitch abuse if you have no control over it.

    It's not glitch abuse to try to stop yourself from dying (especially to something as stupid as the stun gun)

    It's not glitch abuse to temporarily reduce your protection and make yourself more valnerable to being killed.

    @Cole you can fight me on this if you want, but just so you know... I'll win.
     
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    IF u are talking about the stun gun glitch it is a glitch. it can kill somenoe if u drop stun gun over blocks if u land on them boom instant kill. even over water if they fall in while shooting they cant fly with there jp's. also who are you XD
     
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    "Its like someone stun gun abusing staff cannot fix it people will just spam space bar to avoid falling to there death."

    That's not a glitch.


    I don't know if you meant to insult me or just be rude, but it didn't work. I don't expect every person on the server to know who I am. Especially if they only have 20 posts on forums. Although if you're at all active on forums you probably know me xD
     
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    I believe shoehead meant that we consider these things to be glitch abuse. (But, with that being said I have always hated banning players for these things and don't personally ban people for these things but because they are against the rules the staff ban for it.) When you get attacked one of your first reactions (or at least mine) is to tap space bar over and over to try and get away. It is hard to actually tell if someone is abusing it or just having regular human reactions to trying to survive. So I usually hate for punishing for these things.
     
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    How is that abuse at all? Litterally everybody does it. Also it's not stated that any of these things are against the rules, therefore, are they really rules?
     
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    I was banned for using stungun in a hydra. I was told that it was bannable but I did it anyways because I had screenshots of staff telling me it was OK. The point is that there was misconception in the the rules which were never written, and the staff team had conflicting answers. The question they should be asking themselves is " If I don't think it should be bannable, then why is it?"

    Also when you make a rule it has to be very clear, you either break it or you don't. There has to be a very clear line and no outstanding circumstances.

    Litterally everybody spams space, because it's the only logical thing to do. Why should they just let themselves fall and die? Especially to a feature of the game as stupid as the stun gun.
     
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    "Abusing glitches" Abusing a glitch is doing something in a way its not intended to work. Before I provide an example I will talk about your point of "It should be clear". If we were to clarify "every single glitch" that is against the rules. The list would be more then 5 forum post long. You have to remember we are a server playing on a game that we have "VERY LITTLE CLIENT" control over. So there are many things that we simply can't change that make the game un-enjoyable for others.

    So if we say that when you get hit by a stun gun you are suppose to fall to the ground. But, you then smash space bar to stop from falling. (Which is not intended by the devs of the game mode.) Then you are "TECHNICALLY" using a glitch. But, it does not entirely mean you are abusing a glitch. As again your first human instinct when getting hit is to slam space bar. Therefore there is to many thin lines where its hard to tell who is knowingly hitting space when getting hit. Between the ones who instinctively hit it.

    Which is why I prefer NOT to punish for it. But, there are more clear things of glitch abuse. As like if you place a pumpkin it gives you more then one. These are also things that impact the game negatively and are considered glitch abuse. But, in my eyes they are easier to tell because no one intentionally repeats an action to get free things over and over and says "it was an accident" without reporting it.

    So yes it does count as glitch abuse because it is something that does not work the way it is intended and it acts negatively as it ruins the pvp experience for "some". With that being said though I do not think it has that much of an impact on the PVP experience as most people treat it. Just don't use a stun gun and you won't have that problem.
     
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    So it's not bannable

    If it is then why do you not like punishing for it? If it isn't then why do people even care about it?

    What should be glitch abuse is people switching to wings whenever they get stunned.
     
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    It is bannable because it falls under glitch abuse. But, how a staff handles a situation is completely up to them.

    I don't feel like you read my post at all because your asking why I don't like punishing for it. We talked about this remember please read everything not only what you want to hear or we can't have conversations on the forums together. If you read over what I wrote I said that its something I believe players don't have any control over because natural instinct is to slam space bar when trying to run away. So in my opinion it is impossible to tell who is abusing it and who is just acting on natural instinct.

    People care about it because "for them" it ruins the game.

    I think in my opinion the whole problem with your view is you don't see it as that bad or that negative. Which is fine because I agree it isn't that bad and it isn't that negative. But, just because something is not bad or not negative. Does not mean it does not fall under "glitch abuse". Again glitch abuse means to utilize something in a way that it was not intended to be used. There are plenty of glitches that cause no harm but are still technically a form of glitching. So you can talk about "your view on what should be glitch abuse and not." But, you can't really change a fact. At the end of the day regardless of what you or I think. If you are doing something that doesn't work the way it is intended by the people who are running the game. Then it is simply glitch abuse.

    (And, for the stupid people who want to go as far as saying. Then are we not glitch abusing because plugins change minecraft? - No, because when I said abusing something in a way it wasn't intended for the game. I meant GTM not the base game. We are just limited to how much we can change and or fix with the base game.)
     
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    Well this wing bug is making people get out of nets and staff cant stop it like people getting stunned in jp like i said above the key words here are staff cannot stop it so they made it a glitch abuse so why isn't that wing bug a glitch abuse?
     
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    You can't just make something glitch abuse. It's either a glitch or not, and you're either abusing it or not.

    I read it all and I agree with what you said about there being a bunch of small bugs that nobody really notices but happen all the time. I just wan't to say that if it isn't harming the server it shouldn't be bannable. By trying to stay alive I don't believe anybody is harming the server. Examples where harm is done are things like duping, (the old heavy sniper 1/2 shot bug), godmode, glitching into houses, hydra stunning, double rpg/sniper. Because they do harm to the server they are bannable.

    Either way I still believe the stun gun/jp thing is really dumb.
     
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    "if someone is trying to stay alive" I mean hacks also help you stay alive. xD

    The difference between "this glitch" and "other glitches" is that its to small and to difficult to tell if anyone is actually abusing it. But, again this part is just a personal opinion as some staff still ban for it when they feel or think that it is being abused on purpose
     
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    Well one person is just 24/7 doing it any time they wing its just an unfair thing to do bc u cant do anything it just a waste of time
     
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    Isn't it always on purpose?
     
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    No, again the word "reflex" and "instinct" these are the words you want to focus on. If someone walks up behind you in the middle of the night one of your first instincts is to swing and survive. So in game if someone walks up behind you and starts stunning you then your first instinct is to smash space bar. In fact whenever your hit with anything generally your first instinct is to slam space bar.

    So its on purpose that they try to survive. But, they are not trying to abuse the glitch on purpose. I am sure there are people who know it and do it anyway. But, thats what I am saying is that its to hard to tell if they are doing it out of instinct to try and survive. Or if they are doing it to abuse it.
     
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    Well its a glitch abuse right staff done do it and with this wing glitch its bug people abuse it to really break the game in a way. There breaking "the rules" of the net. the net is to trap wingers but its purpose isnt there if people can go right threw them
     
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    Again it happens ALL THE TIME, and people almost never mean for it to happen.