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Thing I've noticed that needs to be fixed! (PvP)

Discussion in 'Bugs and Suggestions' started by Xnap, Jan 7, 2018.

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  1. Xnap

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    From, Xnap

    Welcome to the short thread. If you know me, I have been playing GTM for a very long time and have even played quite a bit of GTM Legacy (Old GTM). Back then, it was much easier as new starter/player (Hobo) to fit into the server. Pvp was more skill based, less hackers, less flyers, etc. Sadly, the pvp META will continue to change with future updates (especially with the rising popularity of Katanas, Jetpacks, Riot Shields, etc), this is something that cannot be stopped. However, there are ways, I believe, to prevent its backlash.

    Here are the following ways:
    • We all saw this one coming, but Miniguns need to be nerfed in its pvp aspect (EX: lower its magazine capacity/fire rate), or its price/rarity (make it more scarce/raise the price to 25k+). This certainly is one item that takes the skill out of GTM. Earlier this year, GTM was much more enjoyable, not only for me but for the newer players as well; because without Miniguns, every players had a more equal chance/opportunity to take down higher ranked players without struggling to hide/run as soon as they spawn in fear of a minigunner, who can eliminate them in precisely a second. Obviously the higher ranked player deserves better! As they have put much more hours and often, even money into the game. However, we all know how extremely over powered are players who carry both Miniguns and Riot Shields. They are pretty much impossible to kill unless you have the same equipment they do (please don't get all technical on this, we all know its true).
    • Minor, but I believe better pants/boots should be made to increase the chances of survival while pvping.
    • This is also an obvious one, but Jetpacks and Katanas should be made more harder to acquire/rare. Honestly, in thought of the whole server, not only donors who enjoy both jetpacking and Katana pvp, these are two items that should definitely be nerfed. There were many times when I killed the respawning randoms multiple times using jetpacks/katanas (because you are both quick/agile + have insane damage & decap potential) and felt bad because how could you possibly enjoy the server if you are dying every time you spawn in. However, I do agree that these two items are strangely balanced. I see no other way of nerfing these items in such ways that would make it "even". In which case, we would have to completely remove these two items off the server, which I find unnecessary. Therefore, these items should be made more rare (EX: increase in price, replacing sponsor kits with elytra, etc) so that less players can use them during combat. It is also annoying to have a group of 5 jetpackers flying around killing almost every player/noobs around the map and preventing other players from flying.
     
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    HAIL THE LORD OF MINIS!
     
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    Many Fast Placers use Minis to
     
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    I agree
     
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    I'm lazy to read long stuff.
    I read a little bit. I think the Jetpacks and Katanas shouldn't be hard to acquire imo. I mean it's already hard to acquire the Katanas if you're a f2p player.
     
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    Im not exactly sure how quite experienced you are, but Katanas are already incredibly easy to acquire. And think about it, more Katanas and Jetpacks means more annoying flyers, which just adds to my point. But PS, you should probably read the whole thread before commenting so you know what you’re talking about. :0 Just a heads up!
     
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    I agree with the pants/Shoes one. We have the following items that are unused and could make good pants and shoes:

    Golden pants and boots
    Chainmail pants
    Diamond pants and boots.

    All of those could be made into new armor (Military pants and boots?)
     
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    Overall, I strongly agree with the issues in the thread.

    I agree very strongly that miniguns need to be nerfed, if you jitterclick with them, they are almost impossible to stop. I personally think that when you are holding a minigun you should be fully immobile, meaning you can’t move at all. This would mean that people using other weapons can more easily strafe around the minigunner to kill them, and would be more realistic, as realistically somebody can’t run with a minigun and shoot it at the same time.

    As for katana jetpacks, they used to be fairly balanced due to the fact katanas costed a lot, meaning it was a risk to go katana jetpacking. However, due to the cheatcode, the prices have gone significantly down, meaning it isn’t such a risk. My opinion to balance it is to reduce the chance of a decap, and decrease the damage a bit.
     
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    I agree with minis are very op especially when you camp a major point such as bank also as Matt said I would like new armor maybe camo armor or something cool like that.
     
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    Chance of decap should definitely be lowered.
     
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    Chainmail boots are already air Jordan's, but I agree with chain mail leggings and gold armor to. But speaking from experience, I can say diamond leggings and boots would make what little balance the server has fall apart. I used to play a much worse GTM on a server called Mineverse, and that died because it was way to p2w. Hobos can still kill donors, pretty easily actually if they know how to do it, but adding that much armor would make it nearly impossible to kill anyone. Maybe, if they did add diamond leggings and boots to the server, they could add a rebuff for wearing them, like maybe slowness.
     
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    Quoting: "Hobos can still kills donors, pretty easily actually if they how to do it". I hope you know that donors can also be hobos. Instead, I believe you meant an experienced player vs a hobo. And anyone that "knows how to do it" will obviously be good at pvp. But the thing is, "knowing how to do it" takes a while. An experienced player who has played for a long time will always be better than a first time hobo. That is just a fact. Either way, OP weapons like miniguns will still wipe out diamond armor suited players in a second, so I dont see how it would negatively change the gameplay what so ever. I highly believe instead, it would give anyone a better chance at surviving against minigunners and other players who use OP weapons. And would definitely give you a better chance at withstanding those annoying sticky spammers/etc.
     
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    If I correctly understand what you're saying, you're implying that improved armor will equal the playing field for donors (which it still probably won't, in the case of miniguns). But hobos will still have a much more difficult time killing players in full diamond. So by making a specific aspect of server PvP more fair, it would make general PvP impossible for hobos.
     
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    You do realize that hobos can buy diamond armor too right? it wouldn't be too expensive. Personally for me, if I was a lower ranked player and had full diamond armor, I think I'd have a much better chance at surviving. Not all players would wear diamond armor. Just because it's in the game doesn't mean every single player would be equipped with it. However, it is true that this would give higher ranked players the upper hand. But overall, it would give lower ranked players such as hobos a much better chance as higher ranked players only makeup about 20-30% of the server. To defeat those higher ranked players, you would obviously have to spend as much time as they did in ranking up and gathering or else it wouldn't be fair to all those players who put the time and effort into getting Godfather/etc.
     
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    You do raise several good points. Yes, I do know that hobos can buy diamond armor. Do they though? It would be pointless for them to buy armor for themselves, as it would be around 3-4k each piece, and it would just make them a walking target, as they most likely have no idea how to PvP, like most hobos, and the first donor to come across them would get a full set if diamond armor. If I was a hobo, I wouldn't waste my limited amount if money on a piece of armor I'm gonna lose in two minutes. But the players with fast bank accounts would be almost completely invincible to the assault of any brave hobo. You also mention player's wouldn't wear it all the time, just because it's in the game. I think you'd be surprised how many players would go the extra 5, 6k for better armor. And when you say that the 20-30%(more like 40-50%) of players who worked to get where they are deserve the armor and that other new players should have to work for it, it still wouldn't be fair, as those better off players didn't have to deal with literal tanks in full diamond that immediately mow down any random player they happen upon with a maelstrom of gusenberg sweeper fire.
     
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    This is interesting, because I will defend my stance no matter what lol. Honestly, nothing in pvp will ever be fair, if you put it that way. And I do acknowledge that there are pros and cons to this. However, this is just my opinion and I think it ultimately comes down to how the lower ranked players utilize the piece of armor. Some will use it for their advantage and others will ignore it thinking it is to expensive. Like I said, becoming better and making right choices (such as what piece of armor to purchase over the other) comes with simple experience (honestly, i learned this by Criminal, 1 rank after hobo, so it isn't a very difficult concept) and it is just a part of the game every player has to go through. This is where the, I quote, "Minor, but I believe better pants/boots should be made to increase the chances of survival while pvping" part kicks in. I specifically use the word minor because I don't believe diamond boots and legs are necessary, but I believe it may add an interesting element/aspect to the game play in terms of defense. To conclude, there will always or at most time be a better choice you can make over the other. And to those who take advantage of the better choice, good for them. Some will dominate with the legs and boots, and others will have to learn. But once learned how the piece is utilized, I believe it will make an excellent addition to the game. And killing these "diamond armor suited giants" won't be much harder as you have weapons, your own armor, bombs, and skill (which comes with only a bit of experience, because honestly GTM isn't that confusing, its easy to learn) to assist you.
     
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    When i sometimes jitter with a Mini, i get False reported/called out for fast Place!! :(
     
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    Adding to this, I'm an F2P player and I have a considerable amount of katanas.
     
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    It's good that you defend your argument/suggestion, and in the interest of a civil intelligent conversation, I, and hopefully others, respect your opinion. This is the forums after all, where players who feel they want to fix/add something to GTM can get their opinions out to the world, engage in conversation in a civilized way, and maybe get some insight.

    If they do, than the purpose of the forums has succeeded.

    I do understand that to start in nearly anything, one needs to make the right choices, be it buying or not buying a flashy set of diamond armor. I also agree that alternative choices for armor could increase the overall gameplay of GTM. But I also felt I should use my past experience to give a fake warning of what could happen to the server. I used to only play Mineverse(not advertising), until, like many other players before me, decided it was to overly p2w to even have a chance in. In GTM, the skilled players who actually they in the server can jump and strafe and snipe an armored player until their attempts succeed, and they are rewarded with a very valuable pile of loot. In the other server I used to play, you could unload three whole assault rifles into a full dia player, and that player would turn around and immediately destroy you with a Barrett 50 cal(the OP overused donor kit gun). That was painful to bear, knowing there wasn't anything I could do about it. So I quit. GTM is great because it's so big and has so many players. I'm just afraid that adding the ability to get full diamond armor will hurt GTM, God forbid fatally, and cause it to hi the same way as Mineverse(once again, not an ad).
     
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    If you look at several accounts of Minigun PVP, the players are often immobile while shooting. If you mean immobility while even holding them, then I feel that would give a considerable disadvantage to players whose mouses aren't exactly top notch. Even if the immobility was introduced, then that would probably lead to many more campers hiding in one-opening buildings, and you wouldn't be able to walk across the street, much less kill them.
     
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